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SR: Obviously, this is something that’s just for fun, but is there anyway to tie this up into what the big studios are doing – like Sony with Spider-Man or Marvel with The Avengers? Can you use these shorts as a launching pad to propose adding some of these characters into those franchises, or is just out of the question?
It’s out of the question for a bunch of reasons. When you’re removing these characters from all the commercial stuff, from having to engineer into the Robert Downey Jr. version of The Avengers universe, then you’re inherently restricting the characters. The Spider-Man universe is PG-13. The Avengers universe is Pg-13. These are essentially Pixar movies at this point. Venom, The Punisher, Deadpool…these characters kind of exist in their own world. At the end of the day, I do these for fun and creative fulfillment. It’s a chance to work with people that I really like and really believe in.
From Marvel's SDCC coverage:"This season kicks off with our biggest adventure yet as Ultimate Spider-Man joins Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and the Hulk from 'Marvel's Avengers Assemble,'" said Jeph Loeb, Marvel's Head of Television. "We're making the Marvel Universe even more awesome with the introductions of Cloak & Dagger, Amadeus Cho, Ka-Zar and the animated debut of Agent Venom!"
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To celebrate the new short, called Truth in Journalism (a unique combination of the character Venom and the '92 Belgian crime mockumentary Man Bites Dog), we're happy to debut a few exclusive behind-the-scenes images from the production, plus a Q&A with director Joe Lynch. Enjoy!
1. Why choose the character Venom as the basis for the short film?
I distinctly remember turning the page on Amazing Spider Man issue 299 and being Terrified by Mcfarlane's Venom creation. He was much more simple then, not the drooling, hulking mass that Venom has morphed into by now, but it was still a striking image. I couldn't wait for #300 to come out and that character has always been one of my favorite villains. When I met with Adi Shankar, we ended up talking more about our favorite comics and Venom kept coming up as well as our affinity for dark comedies, like MAN BITES DOG, which is one of my all-time favorite movies (which likely says a lot about my twisted sensibilities). Little did I know he had something up his sleeve for another one of his short films, like the Dirty Laundry short, which I LOVED. So when he asked me if I would be interested in doing the next short for Comic-Con…inspiration struck.
2. How is this Venom different from what we've seen before in the comics or in Spider-Man3?
I'll be honest…and this is with ALL due respect for Raimi since he's a hero of mine…I didn't care for that version of Venom at all. I wanted him to be this terrifying presence, even if he was changing from Topher Grace, an actor I admire. It just didn't mesh to me, you know? So when the opportunity arose, I was like "I want to do this the way I always wanted to see it." Of course, we didn't have the budget that they did on SM3, but necessity breeds invention and in talking with my good friend and VFX genius Sam Balcomb of Rainfall Films, we devised a plan that could actually work. Knowing his work, I knew we could pull it off.
3. Did you make this short with the intentions of getting to make a solo Venom movie with Ryan in the lead role?
No, this was one from the geeky heart. Would I love to do a Venom movie with Ryan as Eddie Brock? Absolutely! I know some will say that Kwanten is not their first idea as Eddie, and for a time I always thought Kenny Johnson from THE SHIELD and SONS OF ANARCHY was a great look but that was the classic McFarlane version. I wanted the best actor who could not only embody Eddie Brock's complex mentality but ALSO that of Benoit, the serial killer in MAN BITES DOG, which is the other spiritual ancestor to this film. Ryan had a lot of voices to carry with this and he did it amazingly well. I was so impressed.
5. Is this short tied at all to the existing Spider-Man movies?
It's not tied to the movies at all. The short actually exists in the Marvel Comics universe, mixed with the visual aesthetic of MAN BITES DOG (16mm, B&W) and set in May of 1988, which is when Amazing Spider Man 300 was published. The timeline of the short actually merges with plot points in the comic, even down to filling in the gaps when we don't see Eddie Brock in that storyline, like when he sneaks into Mary Jane's apartment to terrify her. When you hear Eddie in this say 'I gotta go meet a [girlfriend] of a….colleague", he's GOING to her apartment! That was very important to me, as I was trying, even on a minuscule budget, to create NYC in 1988. If you look closely in one walk and talk, you actually see the World Trade Center in the background! We tried very hard with music, fashion and dialogue to immerse the audience in that time and place, even if it was shot in 2013 in Downtown Los Angeles, including the most disgusting alley in the US, complete with human feces and heroin needles. We barely made it out of there alive. Viva cinema, huh?
Your most recent work is on Superior Carnage, which is quite a bit different in tone from what you did with Spider-Man and Deadpool. Was this something you pitched to Marvel or did they come to you with it?
Kevin Shinick: After Avenging Spider-Man, Wacker asked if I had any interest in doing a Carnage mini-series, so I kept turning it over in my head until I came up with a story I thought was worth doing. Now that I had written what I thought people were expecting from me, I wanted to show them what else I could do. And Carange seemed like a good idea because it was a complete one eighty.
For our readers who may not be familiar with where Carnage/Cletus Kasady is when your book starts, can you bring them up to speed? Where do we find Cletus at the start of Superior Carnage?
Kevin Shinick: Well, the funny thing about my discussion with Wacker was that after I said I was interested, he reminded me that the character was basically lobotomized in the last issue. I was like, “Where does that leave me?!” But oddly enough it was the perfect jumping off point, because in a way it was a clean slate. We find Cletus Kasady rotting away in prison when suddenly another villain has the brilliant idea of taming Carnage and turning him into an agent of evil the way the government turned Venom into Agent Venom. And when I say ‘brilliant’ I’m obviously being sarcastic.
You’ve brought back Fantastic Four villain, the Wizard, into this mini-series. Why did you decide on this particular villain and how have you changed him from what we’ve seen in the past?
Kevin Shinick: I had so much fun using the Hypno-Hustler in Avenging Spider-Man that I thought it would be equally fun to find a few villains who aren’t exactly A listers that I could perhaps breath new life into. And since the Wizard’s fate in last issue of Future Foundation was ambiguous I thought it was a good place to start with him as well.
You’re taking on one of Spider-Man’s more popular villains in this mini-series. Will the events of these five issues leave a lasting mark on Carnage and Cletus? Are you going to show us a side of this character that we haven’t seen previously?
Kevin Shinick: I like to think so. In fact one of the requests I made in taking on this book was that I could claim it was Carnage “like you’ve never seen him before,” and actually mean it. And since we’re embarking on making him a Superior Carnage, not only will he eventually look different, but he might not even wind up being Cletus Kasady.
There’s a pretty decent body count in the first issue of Superior Carnage. Should we expect that to increase from issue to issue?
Kevin Shinick: There’s definitely a big body count in the the first issue, and I certainly don’t shy away from that as we progress, but I wanted this to me more of an intimate story as well. We’ve seen Carnage on a grand scale, we’ve also seen him on a minimum scale, but I wanted this to be more of a personal scale. For all the characters. It’s no accident that “identity” is a big theme in this book.
Is this a self-contained mini-series or will the events of Superior Carnage extend to other area of the Spider-Man universe and future issues?
Kevin Shinick: Well, I guess that’s up to Marvel. But let’s face it, once you’ve become Superior why would you ever want to go back?[Thanks to Bizarnage for the tip]
Since yesterday's Superior Spider-Man SDCC Panel revealed that Spidey and Venom would clash in November in Superior Spider-Man's "Darkest Hour" arc, writer Dan Slott has been making his rounds talking about the event. While he doesn't reveal too much information, here are some of the interviews:IGN: Venom has been reinterpreted again and again, both as a hero in his own right and as a foil for Spider-Man. What do you think makes that character so enduring?
Slott: There’s something about Venom, ever since he first appeared, that just resonates with fans. Especially your inner fan that just goes, “That’s so cool!” He’s the original badass Spider-Man, you know? And now we have a badass Spider-Man throw-down.CBR:
Let's talk a little bit more about the character of Venom. You made Flash the new Venom host during your "Amazing Spider-Man" run and he was part of your "Spider-Island" storyline. A lot has happened to the character since then though. Which of Flash's recent developments do you find most interesting?
I really liked his move to Philadelphia. It allowed him to set up his own place and be his own thing. We are bringing him back to New York for this story though.Newsarama:
Nrama: You would probably know the answer to this better than I do — do Venom and Doc Ock have much of a history in their previous incarnations?
Slott: They've had some run-ins. The Eddie Brock-version. The person who really hasn't had a run-in with Doc Ock is Flash Thompson. There have been scenes where you have, like, "The Trial of Doc Ock," and Flash is there with a group of people. Or at the end of some fight where Doc Ock is being taken away, Flash is there with everybody from Midtown High. But there really is no Otto Octavius/Flash Thompson mix-up anywhere.
Nrama: Humberto Ramos is drawing the Venom arc – and he's a noted Venom artist, dating back to the storyline with Paul Jenkins many years ago in Spectacular Spider-Man, and he drew the first appearance of Agent Venom, too. Do you see this a definite case of the right artist on the right story?
Slott: Oh god yes. He loves Venom. We're going to kill on this. It's going to be great. And for people who loved Humberto’s arc with Cardiac, Cardiac will be appearing in this story as well.
Wacker briefly talks the arrival of sidekick Mania to Venom, which leads to an announcement — Venom and Superior Spider-Man are facing off in "Darkest Hours," starting with November's Superior Spider-Man #22. It's co-written by Slott and Gage, and illustrated by Ramos.
It's the first meeting between Superior Spider-Man and the Flash Thompson Venom, Wacker points out. "There's going to be a certain amount of friction, and this is leading to something pretty massive in the book that Chris and Dan are going to do over four-issues, that's going to leave Venom in a very different state at the end of it — and Spider-Man," Wacker says.
Slott has joined the panel via speakerphone. "We've worked really hard to keep these characters apart, even when they were both on Avengers team."
"This is the first time Flash is going to be up against Superior Spider-Man. We worked really hard to keep these characters away from each other up until this point." - Dan Slott
Youngster dressed as Venom asking how Flash will feel about his hero, Spider-Man, acting like a jerk. "That's a big part of the story. Flash has always idolized Spider-Man. He's always wanted to team with him." - Dan Slott
Turning to the character Venom, in November Venom will fight Superior Spider-Man in the “Superior Spider-Man” arc “Darkest Hours” written by slot with Ramos.
“These characters have never actually met...there’s going to be a certain amount of friction and this is leading to something pretty massive in the book...that will leave Venom in a very different state,” Wacker added.
Singh then called Slott, putting him on speakerphone, Slott telling the audience, “This is the first time Flash will see this Spider-Man,” before praising Ramos as “The hardest working man in comics.”CBR Preview art:
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| Superior Carnage 2 Variant |
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